Trip Report for GSS 602, Biscuits and Gravy Cave

    On Saturday, March 7th 2020, while at the Florida Cave Crawl hosted by the Flint River Grotto, I had the privilege of accompanying 8 other cavers into GSS number 602, also known as Biscuits and Gravy Cave.

    Upon arriving at the Cave Crawl campground, my companion, John Graham and I immediately sought out the sign-up sheets for the weekend’s trips, as they tend to fill up quickly. John, at a youthful age of 73, requested I pick a moderate cave for us to enjoy. John was a member of a now defunct Capital Area grotto and had not been underground in 20 or more years. After some discussion with some locals, we decided on Biscuits and Gravy, as the map showed it to be longer than the typical Florida dry cave, but not so lengthy that energy levels would be spent entirely on the one cave.

    On Saturday morning, we rose to a brisk 36 degree Florida morning and joined up with a group of cavers who varied from long time cavers from Indiana to a few new cavers from Tallahassee, 2 of which had never been in a cave before. Our guide was Nathan Dunfee, a caver local to the area and familiar with the cave. As sometimes happens, the quest to get to the cave was just as much as an adventure as being in the cave! The caravan to the cave was set to leave at 10:00 AM (CST), but at 10:05 it was quite apparent that our time frame may have been in need of adjustment. The group of new comers were no where to be found. After some searching, they turned up, and we set out. However, some head lamps needed fresh batteries, and one of the vehicles needed refueling, so the request was made to stop at a gas station that would take both needs into account. The stop was a bit of a mess. Gas was easily obtained, but it seemed the price of batteries was a bit steep, and those who needed the batteries quickly began to work with the local gas attendant on a map to the closest Dollar General, or better yet, Dollar Tree, in order to find batteries that were cheaper than the $7 asking price at the current stop. Just a reminder, we were currently at a Gas Station name “Blondies” in the middle of “nowhere” near the junction of Florida, Alabama and Georgia. There was absolutely 0 enthusiasm on our guide’s face at this point! Luckily, intelligence prevailed and $7 was sacrificed to the attendant at “Blondies” gas station, and we were on our way once more. (I was able to snag a pair of Cow Tales to share, as John had never had one before).

    After about an hour of driving, and countless tiny, trailer filled towns cruised through, we found our way down an ungated dirt road to a limestone quarry in the southwest corner of Georgia. The quarry had seen years of disuse but was currently mining small amounts of “medical grade” lime, so there were a few piles of white gravel and powder near our parking area, as well as some modern equipment scattered amongst the dilapidated piles of mining equipment. Among the piles or rubble were large amounts of shell fossils, which made for an interesting exploration of the parking area. After a quick look around, we geared up. I had recently purchased a new caving suit, a new helmet and a new pair of head lamps (AV 2 piece, Mammut El Cap and 2 Zebralights) and was excited to try them out. The new 2 piece caving suit immediately struck me as an improvement, as I always have trouble getting my shoulders into the one piece suit I have. The jacket portion of the suit was a breeze to get on, and the pants were similar to what I have previously used, except with the addition of a built in belt.

    The quarry proper had not been worked in long enough that trees that were likely 20 years old or more were growing along the floor, and the view was much like the quarry at Santos in Central Florida. Large boulders that resembled fossilized coral lined the narrow path to the Cave’s two entrances. Nathan was kind enough to take us to the larger of the 2 entrances, which was still a pretty tight squeeze. The entrance rock was jagged and sharped, and 4 tight turns downward needed to be wiggled through to enter the first “room”. The choice of “Feet first or headfirst” was mentioned, and in true to myself fashion, I dove in head first. At the second narrow bend, approximately 10 feet into the cave, while head down at an about 70-degree angle, my Banana Pack (around my waist), seemed to get snagged on a jagged rock. There was very little room to turn, and as both hands were stretched out in front of me, I was momentarily trapped hanging upside down. I was eventually able to work an arm back through the hole I was passing through, and immediately worked my hand to a spot to unclasp the belt on the Banana Pack. I’d previously been in similar situations and was unconcerned. However, in previous cases, I’d had on my trusty one-piece cave suit, and no where in my mind did I have the thought that I now had 2 belts and 2 clasps around my waist. Once the clasp that my hand found was unclipped, I found that there was no change to the situation. I gave a little bounce by shifting my body weight, and I was mobile again. However, as fell forward, my pants, now with an unbuckled belt, snagged on another rock and pulled down to my knees. The crotch of the pants bound on another rock, locking me in place yet again. The caver behind me, on seeing that I had moved, stepped down, wisely feet first, and in a position where he could not see his feet, promptly came to rest on the bound up pants between my knees. I was once again stuck, but this time hanging upside down, my upper half dangling in the first room of the cave, pants around my knees and stuck on a rock with a caver holding them in place. Had I been in a tighter place, I may have died from the laughter. Eventually, through tears of laughter, I was able to communicate to the caver above that he’d need to lift his feet so I could free myself, and with some acrobatics, I was able to flip myself around. I flopped onto the soft sand pile at the bottom of the entrance, pants around my ankles, and was successfully inside Biscuits and Gravy Cave.

    After clearing the entrance to the first room, and replacing my pants, I moved off through the room to explore as the rest of the group entered. The area of the cave we entered was obviously a stream passage, with a smooth floor that had rippled sand from the last rain. The area around the sand area on the floor was dried mud but would obviously make for a sticky mess when wet. The powdery lime of the ceiling trailed down to the mud, and the name of the cave became obvious. Fragments of a box turtle shell were along one wall, with a few scutes lying nearby. The ceiling was the typical white chalk limestone filled with small shells that I’ve seen in most Florida caves. 2 bats were noted in the first room, and a quick jaunt into a side room found a 3rd. I shimmied up a mud crawl to enter another large room. This room was the highlight of the trip. Through out the room were fossils that resembled Sea Urchins. Some were fossilized in a way to see their toothed mouths open, and others had numerous shed spines around them. Spiraled shells, shells with protrusions and tube-like creatures were imbedded all around. A large claw, similar to a crab’s, was found on a ledge.

    After about an our and a half of exploring, the majority of the group moved off along a crawl way to see another area of the cave, but 3 of us decided to exit the cave. I made my way topside, and while John chose to head back to the cars, the other 2 of us decided to check out a small cave perched about 35 feet up along the quarry wall. The climb was slightly exposed, and the rock very fragile, so I alone ended up in this unnamed cave. I explored the twilight area and after about 200 feet of passage came to an obvious dig. The dig looked to proceed about 50 feet through the sand with a ceiling height of about 2 feet, so I made my way back to the sun light and the sketch down climb.

   We met up with the other cavers soon thereafter, got changed into our day clothes, and made the trip back to the campground for the evening festivities. Flint River Grotto is filled with kind, knowledgeable cavers, and they put on a fantastic Crawl. I’d definitely suggest a trip to visit them, but with the foreknowledge that Florida Caves are different than most of the caves we may be used to.

Intros and In attendance (How long since you’ve been caving)

Mike Broome – Dec 29th
Carlin – 2 Months
Zeke – April of 2019
Fred – 10-15 years
Dan La Pasha – Sept 2019
Axel – 2 weeks ago
Ken Walsh – 2 weeks ago
Mark Little – Sept 2019
Michael McBride – New Year’s Day
Nick Darland – 22 years ago in Mammoth
Dave – 1 year ago at Perkins
Julie Fairbanks– July 2019
Elise Sanderson – 2 weeks ago
Taylor Tibbs – Nov last year
Emily Graham – Hancock Oct 2019
Peter Hertl – Oct Last Year
Zerge – Years
Arianna – August last year


Old Business– Hancock trail proposal. 90% Complete. Michael needs to add
cost analysis and send to Cave Conservancy for approval.

New Business – Charitable Donation – SCCI donation to Cyclops Cave (Russel
County) (Need $150,000), Possible Grotto Donation of $200?
Passed by motion, second and majority vote.

Treasurers Report via Mike B. – No donation for 2019 (see above), No lost
funds or confusion in 2019.

Peter Hertl – Old News Letters that need scanned in. Michael M takes on the
responsibility of getting it done.

Trip reports:

Elise, Axel and Company – Friday/Saturday (1/17-18) Butler Cave – BCCS work day. Tourist route visited. Moved dirt from blown area/ dig (Moved couple hundred gallons of dirt/rock).

                                           — Sunday (1/19) Low Moor

Michael M – Mammoth and Floyd Collins / Sand Cave

Mike B – Flew to Huntsvile/ TAG – Tumbling Rock (SCCI), 4 Groups in Cave, 11 people in their group,  11 AM entry , 2 PM some started back. Fewer and fewer through the day. Visited Topless Dome through Kings Shower. Pillar of Fire visited.

Annual Voting of Officers:

                                  Current                           Proposed                            Elected
Chair                     Rachel Saker                    Michael M                       Michael M
Vice Chair             Ken Walsh                  Elise Sanderson, Taylor   Taylor Tibbs
Secretary         Michael McBride             Emily, Elise, Taylor      Emily Graham
Treasurer            Mike Broome                 Mike Broome, Taylor               Mike B
Webmaster      Carlin Kutchner             Elise, Carlin, Taylor  Elise Sanderson

Upcoming Trips

2/8-9 Frick’s Cave Open house (Poss Ulla Trip if not sumped)

2/14-16 – Sport Trip to Crossroads Cave VA
               — BCCS Project Weekend

3/6-8 – Florida Cave Crawl

3/13-15, 3/20-22, 3/27-29 NCRC Training Weekends

4/10-12 – Proposed Hancock Trail Work Day (Poss Big Sink Survey Day??)

4/18 – Grand Caverns Work Day

5/1-3 – Spring MAR/VAR @ Grand Caverns

6/14-20 — Mammoth Cave – WKU Karst Studies class on Surveying Caves

7/27-31 – NSS Convention, Elkins WV

Intros and In Attendance

Ken Walsh – Wandering in Caves
Dianne Geitl – Fun , Cold VARs
Mike Broome – Exploring Copenhavers Cave, Anchoring off of Ken
Lisa Lorinzen – Tritrog Christmas Carols
Peter – Presenting presentations
Axel – Grotto Trip and Darwin Day
Michael McBride – Drunken tour of Smyth County with Emily
Julie Fairbanks – Cold water in Anderson Springs Cave
Zeke – Flamingo Race
Kim Parks – Police situation after accidental trespassing
Carlin – Social Tuesdays -> Disc Golf
Elise – Tours of Hancock
Emily Graham – Caving…just caving


— Thanks to those who participated on Darwin Day (Axel, Elise, Ken, Emily, Taylor, Peter)

— Overview of Hancock Cave Trail Progress by Michael McBride

— Charitable Donation Ideas = WNS Research, Museum

–Webmaster Update from Carlin = Slight Adjustments

— No meeting for December

— Holiday Party 12/8/19 5 PM

— January Meeting = Elections

Trip Reports

— Carlin – Trip Report on Tritrog Site for Stone’s #2.

— Michael, Carlin, Ken — Big Sink Survey. Lots of scat due to winter conditions. Found the sump and finished surveying that section of map.

— Michael – Trout, New Trout, Hamilton with Charity

— BCCS Project weekend with Lisa and Mike – Surface work due to specific constraints.

Upcoming trips:

12/8/19 – Holiday Party

1/18/20 – BCCS Work Day

1/18/20 – MLK Weekend

July 27-31/20 NSS Convention

Special Presentation:

Kim Park’s Presenting Tritrog of the year award due to inability to attend Christmas Party. Michael McBride chosen.

Ken Walsh, Emily Graham, Mike Broome, Mark Daughtridge, Michael McBride are the current lineage of chosen Grotto Members.

Ken Walsh Presentation on:

What have the Tritrogs done over the past 30 years; where are we going?

Conservation Trips


Conventions and OTR Contests

Annual Grotto Trip

Survey Trips (30-40 in Smyth County)

Cave Acquisitions (Hancock)

Photography Trips

Scout Trips

Local Events

Anniversary/Holiday Party

Vertical Practices

Halloween party

Social Tuesdays

Game Nights

Ranking Debutantes




Yard Sales


Gear Swaps

Donations to:

WNS Research


Cave Conservation


Land Owner Legal Protection Fund

Outreach and Publication

Darwin Day/ Bugfest

Elementary Schools

Scout troops

Climbing Gyms

News and Observer


Online Trip Reports

Online Calendar



Suggestions for the upcoming year:

Social Tuesday/Game Nights -à Formation of Social Chair

Vertical Practices

Gear Swap

Annual Grotto Trip (Possible Bi-annually) , Pot Luckà With alternate activities

More outreach (Schools, Libraries, etc)

Beginner Trips – beginner talks during meetings

Caving Topic talks in Caves

Logo’d items (Stickers, Jerseys…..)

New Logo, Logo Contest, Grotto Trip T-shirts

In cave contests, scavenger hunt, solo survey game, rally

Gear Lists

Webpage Resources

Food at meetings

Members List (email/phone/contact)

Incentives to Write Trip Reports, Beginner Trips, Etc

Playbook for organization of Grotto Trip – Lisa L volunteers to do a grotto meeting on subject

Introductions and In Attendance (What are your favorite cave formations)

Mike Broome – Anastomosis
Emily – Scallops
Elise – Shields
Carlin – Styalites
Ken – Snottite
Michael McB – Cannon tubes/balls
Monica – None as of yet
Chase – Gypsum Beards
Kim – Rimstone Dams
Brendan – None as of yet
Peter – Stream Passages
Mark – Helectites
Beka – Angel Wings

Presentation – Ken Walsh: Hancock Cave Acquisition

— 1894 – Buccanans signatures
— 1950s -UNC student burned signature
— 1980 – First presented
— 1995 – Tritrogs mapping effort started in Hancock – Charles Grantham Owner
    1995 bought out, did not want anyone in cave
— 2003 – Auctioned – bought by land speculator
— 2005 – Dave Harrington bought land, wanted to go caving with Grandson (Drew)
— 2006 – Allowed survey and visitation
— 2008 – Finished Survey (2.53 miles)
— 2008-2009 – Clean Up effort of back entrance (Peacock Entrance)
— 2009 – White Nose discovered in May (furthest south at that time) Closed to caver at this time.
— 2010 – Allowed to have 2 bat survey trips
— 2014 – Tax write off donation to West Virginia Cave Conservancy
— 2017 – Graffiti clean ups cleaned

Old Business:

— Conservation Project: Possible Hancock Trail

New Business:

— Scout troop talk – Oct 21st/28th. Looking for someone to talk to them. Poss. Mark D. to do.

— Darwin Day 11/9 if anyone wants to help out the museum

— Grotto Donation?

— Holiday Party (30th anniversary) – Dianne Getl possibly volunteering her home.

Upcoming Events:

9/27-29 Fall VAR
10/5-6 Hancock Cave Trips for the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium
10/10-13 TAG Fall Cave In
10/19-20 Bridge Day Rappel
11/2-3 BCCS Project Weekend
11/9 Darwin Day

Trip Reports:

None ☹

—–Introductions (and favorite Lies given about caving)

Mike Broome – “Not much crawling”

Lisa Lorinzen – “This is the trip where we’ll extend the cave”

Ken Walsh – “I’ll be right back”

Michael McBride – “It’ll be fun”

Kim Parks – “The entrance is right over there”

Diane – “This is my first cave”


Rachel Saker – “You won’t get wet”

Vardel  “We’ll be out my midnight”

Carlin –

Zeke –

Mark Dewitt – “Cave Flooding in Worleys”

Julie Fairbank – “Beginner Cave”

Janelle Lovelace – “Family Lost in Caves (Trout Cave)”

Mike Vlah – “There will be cave salamanders”


Emily Graham – “There are cave slugs”



   — Conservation trip suggestions – taking suggestion, poss. Hancock cave restoration of trail,

  — Carlin updated website – NCRC link

    — Membership dues

   — Bugfest –

    — Darwin Day – theme: Botany (Nov 9th)

   — North Raleigh Scout Trip  (Oct 21st or 28th)

  — Out Chair is stepping down. We’ll not have another election, but do request help.

Trip Reports

  — Grotto Trip  — Carlin with his kids (Boxwer Crystal, Dead Air), Small kids, didn’t like small spaces, but encouraged to go in. Cried the entire time. Smaller group, less light may have effected kids.

                          — Mike B. – Took Carlin’s kid (4 year old) down to the bottom/big room, liked
                               big room/breakdown

                           — Mark (w/lee olson and Peter and Axle). Boxwork Crystla, Dead Air, Duttons

                           — Diane impressed with large room in Dead Air

  Sunday of grotto trip – 5 members including Mike B went to Big Sink (lots of Scat), lots of wild flowers and Butterflies on approach. Surveyed with Ken, Lisa, Emily and Diane.Crash course in sketching. Canyon passages, running water. 4 hours of surveying; much left to survey.

  Emily – survey other spots near smelly area. Small passage/crawl surveys…bad for Ken.

Mike V – 7 people to New River Cave – Winterforest room with Flowstone . Other groups from VT.  Muddy hallways. Calcite layers showing water levels. Breakdown room, Planetarium, saw 3 Bats (Tricolor).

Perkins – Rachel and Carlin – Survey: Camp trip, small comfortable site near flowing water. 48 hours underground. 1500 ft added. Mice noted. Blowing, lots of subsurface formations.

Presentation – Mike and Lisa “Fantastic leads”

— Inspired by Ken! Mike and Lisa started in Grand Caverns. Resurvey to a small hole off tourist trail. Not much digging at that time. By pushing that specific lead – ¾ miles known cave to 3 miles since 2006.

— The Dream. Small hole exploration leads to large areas of Cave.

— Reality: Lots of digging, little new cave.

— Observation: Searching for new area : Sinks. Removing debris: trolleys, bucket slides.

— Faith: excavation due to geologic hypethosizing (Blowing air, geological evidence,

— Speleo-Engeneering: Moving mud/rock.

–Intros and in Attendance

Mike Broome

Ken Walsh


Michael McBride       


Emily  Graham

Rachel Saker




Mark Daughtridge

Lisa Lorenzin

–Geology 101/ Terminology

  Presentation by Ken Walsh

Basic Caving Terms

  1. Fault – Plane where rocks have broken apart and slid against each other. Often what starts the formation of a cave. Multiple types.
  2. Syncline – Forms “V”, water crosses over
  3. Anticline- Forms upside down “V”, water crosses under
  4. Dip- Steepest angle on declination
  5. Strike- Direction at which dip exists

–Trip Reports

Ken went to Blue Springs during convention. New entrance created by landowner with automated gate.

Camps Gulf with Emily. Group of about 6. One person forgot their shoes. Many had no knee pads. Lots of breakdowns, large rooms (x4). Difficult to navigate. Connected to another group and went along with them

Camps Gulf with Mark. Went through all 4 large rooms into borehole. Visited 2 large, swimmable pools.

Overall Cave with Mark as well. Large passage, lots of decorations and pools.

Mark also did a beginner group into Paxton. Got lost in the maze, but still had fun.

Peter won a raffle at the NSS – 3 days/2 nights led cave trips.

Next month presentation on cave digging with Mike and Lisa. Likely to have interactive component.

In attendance: (What was the first cave you visited?)

Dan laPasha =Trout Cave WV, 60
Emily Graham = Cave when she was a fetus, 1976

Hunter Williams Glenwood Caverns
Michael Mcbride Pettyjohns

Diane Gietl  = California 1985

Julie Fairbanks  = Pennsylvania

Elise Sanderson = Karchner Caverns

Peter Hertle = Penn, Limekill?

Michael Broome = Lurray Caverns, VA  (late 70s), Wild, see below
Lisa Lorenzin = Glenwood Caverns 2004, Colorado
Carlin K = Onyx Cave, 1990s
Vardell Smyth = Bone Norman, WV 1980s
Vardell’s wife, Joan = Lava Tube, Mt Humphries 1980s
Kim Parks = Paxtons Cave
Eric Williams = Missouri, Hannendaggen Caverns
Ken Walsh = Lower Nestles (WV 1983)

Mark Daughtridge = Linville Caverns/New River Cave

Bryan Aneska Fall1997

Dave Brenson = Carlsbad as a kid

Rachel Saker = Natural Bridge/TX, Government Canyon TX

Trip Reports

Michaels Beginner Trip

Diane = Hancock Girlscout Trip – Emily, Lisa, Mike, Vardell, Kim, 7 girlscout, and 1 boy from Pakistan. 3 groups, most of the cave. Diane did go through the Comic Book Hole. One girl got boot stuck for 20 minutes. Emily subsequently stuck. Vardell saved the day with the assistance of 2 girlscouts.

Lisa – Memorial Day Weekend with Mike at Butler Cave. Explored small lead that water flows through. Water not flowing now, Lisa squeezed through, but it was sumped.  Will return when even less water.

Kim – Short cave, couple hundred feet (Ken, Emily, Kim). Little Hancock. 7 or 8 salamanders. Explored Peacock entrance, a subsidence, a little digging.

Carlin – Texas Work trip to Unnamed Cave with ridgewalking and visits to springs. Longhorn Caverns State Park

Eric – New River Cave during VAR, 2 groups, 7 in one, 9 or so in the other. Shared lights due to lack of lights. Lost while heading to big waterfall. Turned back.

Carlin – VAR, kids and wife at Tawny’s Cave.

Mike – VAR, went to Bat Ranch with Carlin’s family. Visited Smoke Hole (wet cave), hard to find entrance. Hour of searching but eventually found. Waist deep water that was flowing.

Explored until out time. Cave/Slimy Salamander. Also found a pair of jeans.

Hunter – Andy, Gilbert and others (10, but ended up with 14) went to Tawny’s during VAR. Ill member waited just in entrance. Wet but not horrid. Went to sink.

Elyse – Perkins during VAR. Stayed in area with strings. Marine who was with them had a panic attic. Assisted others who were stressed.

Mark – 50 caves, man made. In india. Buddhist/hindu monks. One had Reclining Buddha. Tons of bats. Elllora, Ajnta caves.

Rachel, Bryan Sadusky hollow, Newberry Banes. Small entrance. Vertical cave with Pits. Wet. Moved some rocks for ease of travel. Bryan unable to go through one pinch.

Carlin – Last Weekend at Perkins: Camping trip, not enough people. Multiday trip instead. Long trip Sat, Short, Sunday. 4 people (including Andy Chang). Slow going in back section of cave. Resurvey, no new cave. Room 222 (named after old TV show from the 70s). Walking passage with fossils, washed clean from occasional water. Stream portion. Found new area, as well as area for camping.

Mike B – Trip to Butler work weekend. Took caver on first cave trip. There with father. British cavers. 22 months and 1 day old. Cool pictures with light under shirt (C is for cave).

Michael – Devil’s Den/ Blue Grotto – Dive trip with friends

Emily – Joined Sunday cave trip in Perkin’s (5 total). Objective for survey to locate and see if ken fit. Ken did not fit. Looking for signatures/graffiti nearer to entrance. Cleaned.

Upcoming Trips and activities

See pic on phone

Meeting Program:

Presentation by Rachel reset for next month due to number of trip reports.

Other Discussion and Previous Business:

Spray paint and sacrifice caves (Michael, Mike, Ken, Bryan, Rachel)

6 people came to a vertical practice at Mike/Lisa’s house. Possible repeat.

Next month = Kim will speak on vaccination for White Nose

Introductions and In attendance:

Ken Walsh

Mike Broome

Lisa Lorenzin

Rachel Saker

Emily Graham

Michael McBride

Julie Fairbank

Kim Parks

Carlin K


Mark Daugtridge

Zeke Van Fossen

Eric Williams

Giana Pitman

Christy Kim

Jessica Kelly

Mark Doyle


Upcoming Trips and Activities:

July 5th-7th: Beginner’s Vertical Caving Trip, Pigeon Mt. Georgia. See Michael McBride for more info
July 12th-14th: WVACS
July 19th-21st: Caving in WV, see Rachel Saker for Info
July 26th-28th: Perkins Cave Survery trip: See Carlin for more info
Aug 4th: Beginners trip to New River Cave
August 10th: Grotto Trip!
August 31st: OTR
Sept 27-29: Fall VAR
Oct. 5th-7th: Hancock Cave for Karst management symposium
Oct. 10-13th: TAG Fall Cave

Kim Park’s Presentation on White Nose Syndrome:

Kim shared an amazing presentation than included:

–“White-nose Syndrome”: Proposed methods to combat infection

–A review of WNS historically and currently

–UV Light Treatment for selective treatment

–Bat Box Thermoregulation

— Chemical Controls (Cold Press Valencia Orange Oil, Pseudomona fluorescens, Rhodococcus rhodocochrous)

— Feasibility of Treatments

–Immune Activation against WNS during hibernation and Possibility of Vaccination against P. Destructans



In attendance:

Rachel Saker
Mike Broome
Hunter Williams
Emily Graham
Julie Fairbanks
Michael McBride
Eric Williams
Kim Parks
Zeke Van fossen
Elise Sanderson

Trip Reports

Elise – Grand Caverns: Group of 6 cavers with divided jobs. Carried 8x8s for
steps, broke gravel up off of flow stone, layed telephone wires, a
assisted with general cleaning of cave.
            Madison Saltpeter Cave – Saw historic signatures, Calcite Rafts
(growing), and Cave specific Isopods

  Rachel – British Expedition with Rachel near Cookesville (Mountain Eye),
                 Blue Spring (TN), a “super dry cave” but currently has lots of

Upcoming Trips and Activities

Call for help for VAR/ Trip L

– VAR 4/25-28

– SERA 5/2-3

-Shovel Eater, Hell Hole WV May 17th

   – Beginner TAG Trip  May 24th-27th

   – Work weekend BCCS 25th-26th

   – Poss Vert Practice locally?

Meeting Program:

Movie on Crystal Cave

Other Discussion and Previous Business:

Mike – Please pay your dues

Emily – Dave Jackson: Cave Sim will be at the convention. Possible sponsorship oppurtunities. Vote by email/list serv?


In attendance, and announcing thier favorite cave pack:

Rachel Saker: Her Current Pack
Martin- Surplus bag, On Rope One Pack
Mike Broome– Tech conference give away, Lost Creek, AV
Hunter Williams- Earth Pack from Amazon
Emily Graham – GGG possibly?
Julie Fairbanks – Shopping for One
Michael McBride – Anything but Swaygo
Eric Williams– Kiddo’s Pack with Bat Unicorn, On Rope One Pack
Vardell Smyth- Military Surplus/ Hello Kitty
Kim Parks – Pack Rat from her Husband
Diane Gietl – Petzl
Howard – Swago
Lisa Lorenzin– Lost Creek
Ken Walsh- Swaygo
Carlin Kartchner- Landjoff
Peter – Lost Creek
Mark Daughtridge– Pacaderm

Trip Reports

Vardell, Julie, Hunter, Michael, as well as 3 others visited
Hancock Cave in Virginia. The conditions were moderate.
Multiple bats were noted.

Mike/Lisa – Pancake Weekend at BCSS, Surface Digging Mostly (first day),
Butler Cave later in the weekend.

Lost World Cave was also visited by Mike and Lisa this past weekend.

Andy, Kim, Mark visited Low Moor Cave with a group.

Rachel and Janet from Flittermouse visited Bone Norman Cave. Rachel’s Mexico trip had “no real caving” due to weather issues.

Upcoming Trips and Activities

Call for help for VAR/ Trip Leaders

Call for Renting Cabin for VAR: Lisa to spearhead!

Call from Ken for help Surveying Big Sink 4/13/19

Call from Lisa/Mike for Work Weekend help at Butler Cave (4/20, Memorial Day Weekend, One in June)

Call from Carlin for Perkins Survey Trip on 4/13/19

Michael McBride Provided a presentation/discussion on selecting and packing a cave pack

  • Multiple types and brands of bags, cannisters and boxes were displpayed, with discussion following the themes of packing and selecting with regards to durabilty, size/space constraints, cost and personal preference.

Other Discussion and Previous Business:

Pay your dues please – Paypal or cash, check to Mike Broome

Previous Business – OCR  Scholarship

Anti Harassment Policy

Ken = Conservation Trip? Poss. Trip for fall/autumn