The break-the-ice question had something to do with toilet paper and eclipses. Answers ranged from “2 ply” to “100 feet” to “5 hours.”
In attendance: (Other) Mark, Emily, Lauren, (Other) Mike, Ken, Peter, Diana, Eric, (Other) Steve, Kim, Tim, and (eventually) Andy
- Ken reminded us to pay dues if we haven’t this year. Dues are $7.50.
- Peter made an announcement about BugFest, an event happening at the museum on Sept. 16. Peter is looking for volunteers for his orthoptera table. No experience needed. Take two shifts and get a free BugFest shirt.
- (Absent) Mark has purchased cases for the grotto’s loaner headlamps and should have them in time for the grotto trip.
- Peter has some old incandescent headlamps that he’s ready to part with, in case the grotto wants such things. Ken recommends we bring it up with the other officers (and possibly with gearkeeper Mike).
Oddly, among those present, there have been no trips to report since the last meeting!
Upcoming Trips and Activities
- Aug. 25-27 – Annual grotto trip
- Sept. 1-4 – Old Timers Reunion (WV)
- Sept. 1-5 – CaveFest (TN)
- Sept. 21-23 – Virginia Regional Meeting (Pendleton Co., WV)
- Sept. 30? – possible photo trip (Ken)
- Oct. 5-8 – TAG Fall Cave-in (Lookout Mtn, GA)
- Oct. 14 – Nov. 5 – NCRC Cave Rescue Operations & Mgmt seminar (Blacksburg, VA) ncrc.info
- ??? – Perkins Cave survey trip (Carlin, Ken)
- Nov. ? – Hancock Cave bat count (Ken)
- Also, Other Mark is willing to arrange cave trips to eastern Tennessee.
[Meeting interrupted by museum fire alarm and evacuation]
How to Pick Among Your Best Cave Shots
by Ken Walsh and Diana Gietl
After the program, we spent approximately 15 minutes discussing the meal plans, among other details, for the upcoming grotto trip.
In attendance: Mark, Jared, Charles, Jake, Zeke, Marlis, Mike M., Lenny, Eric, Andy, Peter, Emily, Mike B., Kim, and Ken
Our favorite leaves, respectively: [On second thought, this has been redacted due to gratuitous word play.]
- Mark is going to order some cases for our grotto loaner headlamps.
- September 16 is BugFest. Peter will be running an exhibit and looking for volunteers to help show off the wonderful world of orthoptera. This is a great way for us to give back to the museum which provides our meeting space each month.
- Mike B. and Lisa introduced Mike’s dad and sister to Butler Cave for their first wild caving experience. They went in the SOFA (Stubborn Old Farts Access) entrance and got as far as the 90-Ugh Crawl before turning back.
- Mike M. visited five caves in Walker County, Georgia: Petty John’s Cave (with two young kids), Anderson Spring Cave (which had a good salamander population), Natural Waterfall Pit and Cave (where they saw some bats and lots of fossils), and a horizontal trip through Ellison’s Cave. There was lots of water in all the caves. They encountered more bats in Ellison’s than they have in recent years.
- Emily joined Mike B., Connor, and Nicole for a weekend at the Butler Cave homestead. Mike led them and a couple from Pennsylvania on a four-hour trip in Butler Cave. It was a relaxed trip but they covered a lot of ground, especially considering there were two non-cavers along. After exiting and resupplying, Emily, Mike, and Connor went back in for another four hours. After exiting again and opening but not drinking a beer, Mike couldn’t resist the opportunity to go drop the vertical entrance of Barberry to help with a dye trace. The next day, Keith W. led Emily, Mike, Connor, and Hal through the woods to three small caves: Black Root (pristine blockage), Bone (pile of leaves and, yep, bones), and Birthday (so many bugs).
Upcoming Trips and Events
- Aug. 22: monthly meeting
- Aug. 25-27: Annual Fun Grotto Trip
- We can park on the upper field where we’ll be camping.
- Trips will be tailored for novice to intermediate cavers.
- Visit our FAQ page for a list of recommended gear.
- Caves on the agenda are Porters, Blowing, and Island Ford.
- Sept. 1-4: Old Timers Reunion (Dailey, WV)
- Sept. 1-5: Cave Fest (Sewanee, TN)
- Oct. 5-8: TAG Fall Cave-in (Lookout Mountain, GA)
As our scheduled program presenter was absent, Ken showed some old photos of Butler Cave while Mike B. narrated. Then we adjourned to the Oak & Dagger.
The break-the-ice question this week: Red or green?
- Team Green: Matthew L., Robert, Eric, Andy, Kim, Carlin
- Team Red: Emily, Jim
- Both: Mark, Dana, Mike
- Colorblind: Mike B.
- Grotto Trip: There will be hot running water for showers! An online poll will be sent out soon. [Update: The poll has now been sent out.]
- Dues have been reduced to $7.50 for individuals who want to join this year.
- Carlin has updated the website somehow and has added it to be indexed by Bing and Google.
- Eric and his five-year-old joined Ken, Tanya, and Emily for a trip to Stone’s Cave No. 1 so that Ken could check out the last leads before making the map. While Ken went ahead, the rest of the group (joined by a local friendly dog) went as far as the hot air balloon formation. On the way out, Eric’s daughter slipped and took an unintended puddle bath. After acquiring some dry gear, the group went to Speedwell Cave, an easily accessible cave with a few rooms and some crawls that a five-year-old doesn’t blink an eye at. Eric kept a wary eye on the dodgy-looking cows in leather jackets across the road. Read Ken’s trip report.
- For her first proper cave trip, Dana joined a group that Mark led through New River Cave. They did lots of crawling and got to see some pretty formations. They made it back to the waterfall and still got out in time to drive home at a reasonable hour.
- Mike and Lisa had a project weekend at Butler Cave. There’s a very newly discovered cave on some neighboring property. The owner told the trackhoe where to dig and voila they hit pay dirt (air): Maiden Hair Cave. Lisa dug away in the tip of the 80-foot cave while Mike hauled spoils out of the entrance culvert.
- Carlin went to Perkins Cave and surveyed. Read his trip report.
- Jim went to Worley’s Cave in Tennessee with a scout group. They had a commercial guide and the kids enjoyed it. They saw at least ten cars parked outside the popular cave.
Upcoming Trips and Events
- July 23-29: International Congress of Speleology (Australia)
- Aug 25-27: Annual Grotto Fun Trip (VA)
- Sept 1-4: Old Timers Reunion (WV)
Grotto members Rob, Mark, and Carlin showed caving-related and other photos from various far-off lands.
In attendance: Ken, Emily, Peter, Zeke, Eric, Mike, Mark (via Skype), Andy, and Kim
Business and News
- We’ll travel to Bath County, Virginia, for the annual grotto trip and stay at the RASS field house. It has flush toilets, showers, picnic tables, and no alcohol restrictions. Saturday we’ll cave somewhere, and then Sunday we’ll cave somewhere else. Porters and Blowing Cave are two possibilities.
- The nice owner of Mystic Cave in Pendleton County, WV, died and the family might like to rent the home to cavers as a field house.
- Monongahela National Forest is considering reopening caves to scientific pursuits.
- The Triangle Troglodytes are in the current issue of Walter magazine.
- The museum has asked for feedback to help justify events like Darwin Day and BugFest.
- Interested in cave surveying? Lowmoor Cave has an ongoing survey.
Girl Scout trip to New River Cave
Emily, Ken, Lisa, and Diana took six Girl Scouts and two Scout parents to New River Cave. The group originally planned to visit Rehoboth Church Cave, but the weather had other ideas. The Scouts had a great time despite the onslaught of trains, rain, and frigid temperatures the previous night. A few are eager to go on another trip. The parents, though they have a new appreciation for cave exploration, less so.
- Mark and six others went to Paxton’s. They were having so much fun avoiding some water and a few difficult climbs that the trip lasted a couple hours longer than anticipated. They came across some salamanders and a turtle who got washed in. One of the landowner’s dogs peed on Rob’s pack.
Cave Art – presented by Emily Graham
In attendance: Pete, Ken, Eric, Emily, Lauren, Mike I., Jim, Mike B., Lisa, Zeke, Robert, and Mark.
[I missed the question, but the answers were, respectively:] chocolate, cookies, soap, Graham crackers, cheese, chocolate syrup, Nerdz, cheese, Nerdz, marshmallow creme, ditto, and blue food coloring.
- Cave suggestions for the annual grotto trip? Crossroads, maybe? Suggestions?
- Dues. Pay them if you haven’t. You may do so online via PayPal.
- Wanna help get people on rope for Over The Edge? You get to rappel off the Wells Fargo building. There’s a training session on September 29, and the rappel date is September 30. Contact Mark if you’re interested in volunteering.
- Lisa and Mike went up for another BCCS project dig. After a super tight squeeze, Lisa has decided that all such future endeavors will be done in her slightly plasticized cave suit, rather than the one that catches on everything. It looks like it goes but it needs some serious work. Join them for a Butler dig. There is beer and an outdoor shower.
- Rob went to Pig Hole Cave which has a rather pretty entrance pit. He knows the cave well enough now to lead a trip there. Also, he witnessed a self-rescue.
- Jim described his trip to Grand Caverns for the Easter restoration weekend. He hauled gravel around and Ken gave him a tour. He also went to next-door Fountain Cave where he crawled through a maze.
- After Grand Caverns and Fountain, Zeke, Ken, Eric, and Eric’s five-year-old visited Madison Cave. They saw George Washington’s John Hancock. Zeke noted how very blue the water was beneath the calcite rafts and remarked on how hard it was to find the cave, hiking “thousands of feet up the side of the mountain, through a jungle, in the dark.”
- Pete visited Wakulla Springs in Florida, where a mastodon was found. Ten years ago, Wakulla Springs was established as the longest underwater cave system in the US.
- Mark, Ken, Dave, and Carlin continued the SnoCone survey. Brian, Steph, and Carlin surveyed the stream passage. Ken, Dave, and Mark entered a huge room with a 30-foot waterfall and formations that resemble hanging tobacco leaves. They generated one lead, to a ledge above the waterfall, but reaching it will require scaling poles. The next day, they found Dutton’s Cave and Radon Cave.
Culinary Experiments in Limestone Hydrology – Ken Walsh
The question posed this month gave us a chance to show off how well-traveled our group is. Among the nearly 20 attendees, we have visited 335 U.S. states, 87 countries, and 48 continents.
After going over the basic mechanics, safety, tools, and ethics of setting bolts in caves, Carlin led us outside the museum for a bolting demonstration. Several people drilled into the concrete blocks that he’d lugged along, while others convinced the local constabulary that we were on the up-and-up.
After the program we spent several minutes being herded and photographed by someone from Walter Magazine for a piece that might come out in May.
- We have now acquired a campsite for the grotto’s annual trip on August 26. Cave to be determined.
- If there’s enough interest, we will likely continue the social outings between monthly meetings, with the next one taking place in a couple weeks.
- Yearly dues are $15 per individual, or $22 per family. Pay one of the officers or pay online using PayPal.
- April’s meeting program will help you decipher those charts that come with your headlamp instructions.
- Mike went to the BCCS pancakes weekend. Inclement weather discouraged surface digging, so they opted to go into Helictite Cave to work on the Supersweet Dig. It’s not really all that sweet any more, but it maintains the speleo-ingenuity that’s characteristic of projects in the area. They moved the equivalent of about 80 five-gallon bucketfuls of spoils. There is still air flow, but no breakthrough.
- Carlin dealt out some guilt for being the only TriTrog to go to Perkins Cave for the recent survey weekend. No one expressed remorse after hearing about the 800-Foot Crawl he had to navigate just to get to the area they’d be surveying. He claimed that it opened up into walking passage in every direction, with plenty of surveying left to be done.
- Apr. 1 – SnoCone survey (Dave)
- Apr. 15 – Grand Caverns Easter Restoration (Ken)
- Apr. 28-30 – Spring VAR
- May 6-7 – Scout trip to Rehoboth Church Cave (Emily)
- May ?? – beginner trip (Mark)
- June 18-23 – NSS Convention in NM
- Aug. 26-27 – TriTrogs annual fun trip
We introduced ourselves with examples of programs we’d like to see at future meetings. In attendance were Mark, Mike, Carlin, Peter, Robert, Yue, Katie, Emily, Grant, Jenny, Ken, Eric, Jim, and Esther. Program ideas included bolting, surveying, Martian caves, cave art, cave ecology, geography, safety, microblasting, microbrews, gear comparisons, and gear cleaning.
- The meeting minutes from the previous week’s officers’ meeting have been posted on the website.
- Annual dues can be paid to a grotto officer or online via PayPal. $15 for an individual, or $22 for a family.
- Mike and Lisa went to a BCCS weekend in February and caved at Bobcat Cave. It turned out to be a great introduction to what sounds like a really nasty, unwelcoming cave. They went in with a scientist who was collecting… science stuff… so they got to move slowly and didn’t ever get really far. They did get completely slimed. And they found ten bats, nine of which had signs of WNS. The collected science stuff included a beetle and isopods.
- Eric, Dave, and Emily formed one of two survey teams that ventured into SnoCone Cave one weekend. Eric described it as “trauma, trauma, and trauma; and then a really tiny hole.” To be fair, it was his first etrier, first survey, and first dig. That dig still blows. Meanwhile…
- All ready to mop up this survey, Carlin’s team started with the rigging that he had left behind a year ago. They found what might be a bobcat footprint and about 20 baby salamanders, did some mildly scary vertical stuff, and went to check that one last wet lead. And it goes. From belly crawl to hands and knees to canyon passage. Then it keeps going, gets decorated, and keeps going. But the really fun part was not telling the discouraged dig team about it until dinner.
- Mark led Yue, Eric, and two others on a beginner trip to Paxton’s Cave. They did a lot of crawling. And more crawling. But Mark got them to the Throne Room with relative ease and it did not disappoint. They meditated in the dark, held their lights up to the flowstone to make the formations glow, and were traumatized to varying degrees when they stumbled upon evidence of a reenactment of Toy Story.
- Peter, Ken, Eric, and Emily joined up with three members of Walker Mountain Grotto for the Spring trip to Hancock Cave. They spent six hours doing a good bit of sporting caving. Ken posted a trip report.
- Carlin, Dave, and Tanya surveyed in Stone’s #1 and left some unpleasant stuff for Ken to get back to. They also located Stone’s #2 which might make a good first cartography project for someone.
Upcoming Trips and Events
- Mar 18: horizontal sport trip (Martin)
- Mar 18: BCCS pancake digging weekend (Mike and Lisa)
- Mar 18: ACC Perkins Cave surveying and sport trips (Carlin)
- Apr 1: SnoCone survey (Carlin)
- Apr 15: Grand Caverns Easter cleanup (Ken)
- Apr 28-30: Spring VAR – lots of horizontal caves near campground
- May 7: Girl Scout trip to Rehoboth Church Cave (Emily)
- Jun 18-23: NSS Convention in New Mexico
- Aug 26-27: TriTrogs annual fun trip
TriTrog of the Year Award Presentation
Congratulations, Mike Broome!
Ken tested our knowledge of cave map symbols with a team competition. The survivors got to fight over the best chocolate bars.
In attendance: Mark Daughtridge (Chair), Ken Walsh (Vice Chair), Carlin Kartchner (Webmaster), Emily Graham (Secretary), Martin Groenewegen (Treasurer)
We threw around some program ideas. Topics ranged from headlamp comparisons to basic hydrology, with several viable hands-on programs, one of which can be pulled together for the February meeting.
We settled on a date for this year’s annual grotto sport trip: August 26-27. We talked about camping at the RASS Field Station [Martin] and beginner caving options in that area [Mike B?].
The bank account hasn’t yet been turned over to Martin, but we went ahead and discussed expenses. Officers approved up to $50 for protective cases for our four loaner headlamps. We also need to actually make the NSS HQ donation that was approved for last year.
Mark committed to host this year’s holiday party.
We again expressed a desire to have a members only area of the TriTrogs website which would include a membership list with names and phone numbers and/or email addresses. Gathering this information may require an updated membership form, which should also be added to the website. To prevent confusion about joining the grotto, [Mark?] will pin a message to the facebook group page that directs people to the TriTrogs website.
Regarding recruitment, we agreed to offer a modest end-of-year award for the year’s best posted trip report, since the number of trip reports directly reflects the grotto’s activities and draws prospective members. We agreed that encouraging newbie sport trips should include an understanding of the expected commitment involved, in order to avoid last-minute cancellations.
We’d like to continue the grotto’s Social Tuesday outings, but maybe on Wednesdays instead.
We also tossed around the idea of having an auction, or possibly a flea market, as a fund raising effort.
We were Carlin, Emily, Eric, Joel, Ken, Mark, Martin, Peter, and Steve. Caving-related bribes we might consider, in no particular order (for future deniability): a set of clean instruments, a rope walker system, a Swaygo pack, promising leads, virgin passage, more virgin passage, unfettered access to vertical drops, lifting of the ban on caving on National Forest System lands, ownership of a stunning and never-ending cave, and a caving trip catered by street vendors.
- Dues: Dues for the year are $15. Pay using PayPal or give your money to any grotto officer.
- Website: Ken posted a trip report but it didn’t go out on listserv, likely due to user error. Carlin has applied the latest WordPress security update.
- Thanks: to Rob for hosting the holiday party.
- Annual Reports: The Treasurer’s report will be posted to the website. Emily will submit the Annual IO Report by the end of January.
- Ken, Dave, and Tanya began a survey of Stone’s #1 in Smyth Co. They spent seven hours underground and netted 585 feet. It still goes. In the process they came across some yellow fungus arranged in tidy lines, like primitive writing or circuitry, and a bright orange flowstone formation.
- Meanwhile, Carlin, Mark, Matthew, and Michael continued the survey of nearby Cassell’s Cave. Matthew proved that he has some sketching skills, though he had some difficulty keeping his hands clean in the very low muddy section of the cave.
- Mark, Ken, Peter, and Emily returned to Cassell’s to finish the survey. This involved rigging a cable ladder to descend the crumbly walls of a twenty-foot pit, and struggling through two tight, low crawls. Mark retrieved the 50 feet of webbing that Carlin had left behind, but it was then stolen from the pile of gear we left by the cars by a neighborhood dog while we took a quick tour of Stone’s #1. [Ken’s trip report]
Upcoming Trips and Activities
- Feb. 4: Beginner trip to Paxton’s or New River Cave (Mark D.)
- Feb. 8: Pun contest at Motorco. It will sell out! (Mark D.)
- Feb. 11: Darwin Day at the Museum of Natural Sciences. Volunteers needed. (Peter, Emily)
- Feb. 18: SnoCone survey. A short drop to a blowing dig and a more technical lead that might end. (Dave)
- Feb. 19: Hancock Cave bat count (Ken and Walker Mountain Grotto)
- Mar. 18: Martin wants to do a horizontal trip somewhere.
- Apr. 15: Grand Caverns Restoration Camp (Ken probably)
- Apr. 28-30: Spring VAR at Thorn Springs Park, Franklin, WV
- May 7: Girl Scout trip to Rehoboth Church Cave (Emily)
Some of us practiced tying water knots in lengths of webbing.
Election of Officers
- Chair: Mark Daughtridge
- Vice Chair: Ken Walsh
- Webmaster: Carlin Kartchner
- Secretary: Emily Graham
- Treasurer: Martin Groenewegen
We were Ken, Dave, Carlin, Peter, Robert, Michael, Mark, Emily, and Matthew.
When we aren’t caving we get lost in the woods, bike on mountains, bike on roads, kayak on water, snowboard on snow, hike anywhere, do social justicing, make costumes, and suck at bowling.
- Dues: If you haven’t paid for the year, dues go to Joel or any officer. [If you pay online I think PayPal still says it’s $15; it should be $7.50 through December.]
- Website: There was some discussion in favor of recreating the members’ only section of the website, specifically, including a list of members, their phone numbers and email addresses.
- Program: The next meeting is in January. Rob proposed a TriTrogs Grotto History presentation.
- Party: The grotto holiday party will be Friday, December 9, at 7:30 at Rob’s house in Raleigh. It’s a potluck event, and someone needs to step up to help coordinate, because it would be a crying shame if everyone brought desserts. And beer. [Yay! Diana started a Doodle poll.]
- Hancock Cave Bat Count and Graffiti Cleanup. We split into two groups: Mike and Lisa led two newish cavers, and Mark, Emily, and Steve were with four first-time cavers. The dryness of the cave during this trip meant that they could venture past the Funnel Tunnel, and that’s where Mike and Lisa’s group spent much of their time and where the only two bats were seen. The group with Mark saw zero bats but they cleaned up some graffiti [the big question mark and arrow] in the Grantham Room. They also ascended the Breakdown Staircase, disappeared through the Comic Book Hole, waited patiently while Mark and Emily snaked through the Funnel Tunnel and back, and exited the cave in good spirits.
- Norman Cave Photography Trip. Michael and Ken bundled up in their warmer layers and joined Matthew in his natural habitat. Michael said they photographed everything that was fascinating or beautiful, including a black snake that found shelter near the entrance, lots of formations, and lots of cold watery passages. Matthew carried in two of his bulky homemade battery-operated suns and repeatedly promised to retire the more enormous one. They all shared their lovely photos from the trip on facebook. It was snowing when they emerged.
- Paxton’s Cave Maze. Mark, Emily, Lauren, and Mike E. took a leisure trip to Paxton’s. There’s a very friendly brown dog on the property, and the owners assured the group that it was just deer’s blood all over the muzzle of the tiny white dog that greeted them. Mark impressed everyone by not getting the group lost, although he admits he didn’t get to where he intended and wasn’t always totally sure where he was. The others were more than happy to follow, since he was armed with a compass, a partial map, and a welcome air of confidence. It didn’t hurt that they found a surprising number and variety of extremely pretty formations in different areas of the cave. They saw no living bats but came across two dead bats (no signs of WNS). It was snowing when they emerged.
- Lost World Caverns. Pete’s rope team goes to this cave every year to rig a couple of ropes at the original entrance and rappel down into the commercial portion of the cave. The original entrance is a 120-foot pit called the Grapevine Drop. It’s not in use, but tourists can view it from below. The temperature right outside that entrance was really nice with the warmer air blowing out. Pete also got to take a tour through the wild part of the cave. And he got snowed on, too.
Upcoming Trips and Activities
- December 3 weekend – Smyth County survey with Dave D. (Cassell’s Cave has a short vertical section and some undetermined amount of low horizontal stuff. Stone’s #1 needs surveying. SnoCone?)
- December 9 – TriTrogs Birthday/Holiday Party at Rob’s at 7:30. Potluck.
- December 27-31 – Wythe County surveying with Bill Grose et al.
- New Year’s caving trip (Dec. 31 – Jan. 2) with Ken.
Australian Show Caves, with Carlin Kartchner