—–Introductions (and favorite Lies given about caving)

Mike Broome – “Not much crawling”

Lisa Lorinzen – “This is the trip where we’ll extend the cave”

Ken Walsh – “I’ll be right back”

Michael McBride – “It’ll be fun”

Kim Parks – “The entrance is right over there”

Diane – “This is my first cave”


Rachel Saker – “You won’t get wet”

Vardel  “We’ll be out my midnight”

Carlin –

Zeke –

Mark Dewitt – “Cave Flooding in Worleys”

Julie Fairbank – “Beginner Cave”

Janelle Lovelace – “Family Lost in Caves (Trout Cave)”

Mike Vlah – “There will be cave salamanders”


Emily Graham – “There are cave slugs”



   — Conservation trip suggestions – taking suggestion, poss. Hancock cave restoration of trail,

  — Carlin updated website – NCRC link

    — Membership dues

   — Bugfest –

    — Darwin Day – theme: Botany (Nov 9th)

   — North Raleigh Scout Trip  (Oct 21st or 28th)

  — Out Chair is stepping down. We’ll not have another election, but do request help.

Trip Reports

  — Grotto Trip  — Carlin with his kids (Boxwer Crystal, Dead Air), Small kids, didn’t like small spaces, but encouraged to go in. Cried the entire time. Smaller group, less light may have effected kids.

                          — Mike B. – Took Carlin’s kid (4 year old) down to the bottom/big room, liked
                               big room/breakdown

                           — Mark (w/lee olson and Peter and Axle). Boxwork Crystla, Dead Air, Duttons

                           — Diane impressed with large room in Dead Air

  Sunday of grotto trip – 5 members including Mike B went to Big Sink (lots of Scat), lots of wild flowers and Butterflies on approach. Surveyed with Ken, Lisa, Emily and Diane.Crash course in sketching. Canyon passages, running water. 4 hours of surveying; much left to survey.

  Emily – survey other spots near smelly area. Small passage/crawl surveys…bad for Ken.

Mike V – 7 people to New River Cave – Winterforest room with Flowstone . Other groups from VT.  Muddy hallways. Calcite layers showing water levels. Breakdown room, Planetarium, saw 3 Bats (Tricolor).

Perkins – Rachel and Carlin – Survey: Camp trip, small comfortable site near flowing water. 48 hours underground. 1500 ft added. Mice noted. Blowing, lots of subsurface formations.

Presentation – Mike and Lisa “Fantastic leads”

— Inspired by Ken! Mike and Lisa started in Grand Caverns. Resurvey to a small hole off tourist trail. Not much digging at that time. By pushing that specific lead – ¾ miles known cave to 3 miles since 2006.

— The Dream. Small hole exploration leads to large areas of Cave.

— Reality: Lots of digging, little new cave.

— Observation: Searching for new area : Sinks. Removing debris: trolleys, bucket slides.

— Faith: excavation due to geologic hypethosizing (Blowing air, geological evidence,

— Speleo-Engeneering: Moving mud/rock.

–Intros and in Attendance

Mike Broome

Ken Walsh


Michael McBride       


Emily  Graham

Rachel Saker




Mark Daughtridge

Lisa Lorenzin

–Geology 101/ Terminology

  Presentation by Ken Walsh

Basic Caving Terms

  1. Fault – Plane where rocks have broken apart and slid against each other. Often what starts the formation of a cave. Multiple types.
  2. Syncline – Forms “V”, water crosses over
  3. Anticline- Forms upside down “V”, water crosses under
  4. Dip- Steepest angle on declination
  5. Strike- Direction at which dip exists

–Trip Reports

Ken went to Blue Springs during convention. New entrance created by landowner with automated gate.

Camps Gulf with Emily. Group of about 6. One person forgot their shoes. Many had no knee pads. Lots of breakdowns, large rooms (x4). Difficult to navigate. Connected to another group and went along with them

Camps Gulf with Mark. Went through all 4 large rooms into borehole. Visited 2 large, swimmable pools.

Overall Cave with Mark as well. Large passage, lots of decorations and pools.

Mark also did a beginner group into Paxton. Got lost in the maze, but still had fun.

Peter won a raffle at the NSS – 3 days/2 nights led cave trips.

Next month presentation on cave digging with Mike and Lisa. Likely to have interactive component.

In attendance: (What was the first cave you visited?)

Dan laPasha =Trout Cave WV, 60
Emily Graham = Cave when she was a fetus, 1976

Hunter Williams Glenwood Caverns
Michael Mcbride Pettyjohns

Diane Gietl  = California 1985

Julie Fairbanks  = Pennsylvania

Elise Sanderson = Karchner Caverns

Peter Hertle = Penn, Limekill?

Michael Broome = Lurray Caverns, VA  (late 70s), Wild, see below
Lisa Lorenzin = Glenwood Caverns 2004, Colorado
Carlin K = Onyx Cave, 1990s
Vardell Smyth = Bone Norman, WV 1980s
Vardell’s wife, Joan = Lava Tube, Mt Humphries 1980s
Kim Parks = Paxtons Cave
Eric Williams = Missouri, Hannendaggen Caverns
Ken Walsh = Lower Nestles (WV 1983)

Mark Daughtridge = Linville Caverns/New River Cave

Bryan Aneska Fall1997

Dave Brenson = Carlsbad as a kid

Rachel Saker = Natural Bridge/TX, Government Canyon TX

Trip Reports

Michaels Beginner Trip

Diane = Hancock Girlscout Trip – Emily, Lisa, Mike, Vardell, Kim, 7 girlscout, and 1 boy from Pakistan. 3 groups, most of the cave. Diane did go through the Comic Book Hole. One girl got boot stuck for 20 minutes. Emily subsequently stuck. Vardell saved the day with the assistance of 2 girlscouts.

Lisa – Memorial Day Weekend with Mike at Butler Cave. Explored small lead that water flows through. Water not flowing now, Lisa squeezed through, but it was sumped.  Will return when even less water.

Kim – Short cave, couple hundred feet (Ken, Emily, Kim). Little Hancock. 7 or 8 salamanders. Explored Peacock entrance, a subsidence, a little digging.

Carlin – Texas Work trip to Unnamed Cave with ridgewalking and visits to springs. Longhorn Caverns State Park

Eric – New River Cave during VAR, 2 groups, 7 in one, 9 or so in the other. Shared lights due to lack of lights. Lost while heading to big waterfall. Turned back.

Carlin – VAR, kids and wife at Tawny’s Cave.

Mike – VAR, went to Bat Ranch with Carlin’s family. Visited Smoke Hole (wet cave), hard to find entrance. Hour of searching but eventually found. Waist deep water that was flowing.

Explored until out time. Cave/Slimy Salamander. Also found a pair of jeans.

Hunter – Andy, Gilbert and others (10, but ended up with 14) went to Tawny’s during VAR. Ill member waited just in entrance. Wet but not horrid. Went to sink.

Elyse – Perkins during VAR. Stayed in area with strings. Marine who was with them had a panic attic. Assisted others who were stressed.

Mark – 50 caves, man made. In india. Buddhist/hindu monks. One had Reclining Buddha. Tons of bats. Elllora, Ajnta caves.

Rachel, Bryan Sadusky hollow, Newberry Banes. Small entrance. Vertical cave with Pits. Wet. Moved some rocks for ease of travel. Bryan unable to go through one pinch.

Carlin – Last Weekend at Perkins: Camping trip, not enough people. Multiday trip instead. Long trip Sat, Short, Sunday. 4 people (including Andy Chang). Slow going in back section of cave. Resurvey, no new cave. Room 222 (named after old TV show from the 70s). Walking passage with fossils, washed clean from occasional water. Stream portion. Found new area, as well as area for camping.

Mike B – Trip to Butler work weekend. Took caver on first cave trip. There with father. British cavers. 22 months and 1 day old. Cool pictures with light under shirt (C is for cave).

Michael – Devil’s Den/ Blue Grotto – Dive trip with friends

Emily – Joined Sunday cave trip in Perkin’s (5 total). Objective for survey to locate and see if ken fit. Ken did not fit. Looking for signatures/graffiti nearer to entrance. Cleaned.

Upcoming Trips and activities

See pic on phone

Meeting Program:

Presentation by Rachel reset for next month due to number of trip reports.

Other Discussion and Previous Business:

Spray paint and sacrifice caves (Michael, Mike, Ken, Bryan, Rachel)

6 people came to a vertical practice at Mike/Lisa’s house. Possible repeat.

Next month = Kim will speak on vaccination for White Nose

Introductions and In attendance:

Ken Walsh

Mike Broome

Lisa Lorenzin

Rachel Saker

Emily Graham

Michael McBride

Julie Fairbank

Kim Parks

Carlin K


Mark Daugtridge

Zeke Van Fossen

Eric Williams

Giana Pitman

Christy Kim

Jessica Kelly

Mark Doyle


Upcoming Trips and Activities:

July 5th-7th: Beginner’s Vertical Caving Trip, Pigeon Mt. Georgia. See Michael McBride for more info
July 12th-14th: WVACS
July 19th-21st: Caving in WV, see Rachel Saker for Info
July 26th-28th: Perkins Cave Survery trip: See Carlin for more info
Aug 4th: Beginners trip to New River Cave
August 10th: Grotto Trip!
August 31st: OTR
Sept 27-29: Fall VAR
Oct. 5th-7th: Hancock Cave for Karst management symposium
Oct. 10-13th: TAG Fall Cave

Kim Park’s Presentation on White Nose Syndrome:

Kim shared an amazing presentation than included:

–“White-nose Syndrome”: Proposed methods to combat infection

–A review of WNS historically and currently

–UV Light Treatment for selective treatment

–Bat Box Thermoregulation

— Chemical Controls (Cold Press Valencia Orange Oil, Pseudomona fluorescens, Rhodococcus rhodocochrous)

— Feasibility of Treatments

–Immune Activation against WNS during hibernation and Possibility of Vaccination against P. Destructans

The TriTrogs Thirtieth Anniversary will be celebrated on Sunday, December 8.

We had introductions as Michael McB. led the meeting. Against his better judgment, he asked everyone to share their names and favorite rides at the State Fair. We didn’t realize how skittish TriTrogs could be about “danger”: Michael McB. (big swing), Mark D. (Howling Cow Ice Cream ride), Elise S. (Gravitron), Hunter W. (Amtrak train), Brendan (anything accident-free), Carlin (afraid of rides so he picked the tractors), Zeke (well-attached rides), Mike B. (Tunnel of Love or the most tightly bolted ride), Diana (Ferris wheel), Ken (pirate ship), and Pete (anything that drunken carnies may have assembled).

Mike B. reminded everyone at the meeting that they could pay their dues to him directly or through PayPal.

A few upcoming trips and events were listed for people to add to their calendars:

10/26: possible survey trip to Big Sink Cave (trip cancelled later)

11/2-3: Butler Cave Conservation Society project weekend (Mike B.)

11/9: Darwin Day (Emily G. is the contact for the TriTrogs display about bats as pollinators)

11/16: Survey trip to Big Sink Cave (Ken W.)

12/8 (5 PM): 30th Anniversary celebration for the TriTrogs

Feb.: Fricks Cave visit with the Southeastern Cave Conservancy

Michael McB. described the progress on the trail plans for Hancock Cave. He mapped the hillside and has a tentative promise of assistance from his corporate team. He’ll prepare plans that the WVCC will be able to review.

He encouraged TriTrogs to let officers know about other possible conservation projects. Michael McB. has not yet checked into the possibility of a carpet donation.

Michael asked if Mark D. had contacted the scout group that wanted to have a speaker before their cave trip.

Diana G. plans to host the TriTrogs’ Thirtieth Anniversary celebration at her home in North Durham on Sunday, December 8 at 5 PM. Everyone mark you’re calendars NOW. Hopefully Michael McB. will be able tofu his travel plans and make it to the party.

Carlin introduced discussion about the status of the Facebook page. The group agreed that it should be open and that the approved members are the only people who may post. We should strive to “paint the right picture” of cavers on open social media and not support negative images of cavers.

The NSS is asking individual members to sponsor artwork in the NSS building. The NSS has been averaging sixty new members a month, definitely an uptick in membership.

Then members shared their trip reports. Hunter W. led off by discussing his through trip in Bone Norman Cave. The trip report was unusual because Hunter was peppered with questions from all directions about the trip. He definitely plans to go back to try some cave photography in Normans. 

After the trip Hunter W. returned to the Fall VAR for dinner in the field and then a presentation and party inside the Snedegars Saltpeter Entrance of Friars Hole Cave

Emily and Michael McB. wanted to use a puppet show that would have highlighted their adventure with a local spelunker named Dave. Dave led them 5.1 miles from Hancock Cave, down a steep hillside, through brambles and past a safe. Eventually they ended up at Atwells Tunnel Cave, where they observed salamanders, frogs, crayfish, and a Dave too scared to enter the enormous cave mouth.

Michael McB., Mark L., and Ken W. had limited success surveying Big Sink Cave. After a morning of trail design, Ken took them driving unnecessarily along many miles of gravel road. Even though it hadn’t rained in a week, they surveyed down the cascading stream passage but got cold in relatively short time from some splashing. They left the lead with going passage because they were getting cold. Kite string still littered the passage they explored, and Ken would appreciate the return of the glove that the stream carried off.

Elise S. described the trip Emily G., Kim P., Peter H., Rodney T., and she took beyond the Funnel Tunnel in Hancock Cave. She had fun with the river rock against her rib cage as Emily dug out the back side of the Funnel Tunnel to let the five escape. The back side introduced them to a whole new cave where animals had scurried up into the inaccessible points. She described seeing tons of fossils on both sides of the Funnel Tunnel. Emily added that she had never traversed the Breakdown Staircase so many times in one weekend, and Michael McB. had never climbed in and out of the entrance so many times in one day (the following day when TriTrogs led field trips for the National Cave and Karst Management Symposium).

Peter H. and Mike B. described a cold morning at Bridge Day 2019, a bridge assembled by the finest carnies.

Michael McB. described his cave adventures at the TAG Fall Cave In, a campout with 1126 of his friends. His group moved rapidly through Hurricane Cave, spending just three hours traveling between the entrances. It was mostly walking passage and quite photogenic. Charity and he also spent a day exploring Ellison’s Cave from the warmup area back to the historic entrance, a trip that few people make in modern times. It was 1.8 miles of walking passage with 28 bats, lots of fossils, a view o petrified wood, and several side passages that eventually pinch out. He also discovered that his squeezebox limit is ten-and-a-half inches when he’s wearing a llama costume.

After a break, Mike B. shared a fascinating presentation and discussion about how cavers have used induced air flow to detect connections between cave entrances (with slides shared by Phil Lucas).



In attendance:

Rachel Saker
Mike Broome
Hunter Williams
Emily Graham
Julie Fairbanks
Michael McBride
Eric Williams
Kim Parks
Zeke Van fossen
Elise Sanderson

Trip Reports

Elise – Grand Caverns: Group of 6 cavers with divided jobs. Carried 8x8s for
steps, broke gravel up off of flow stone, layed telephone wires, a
assisted with general cleaning of cave.
            Madison Saltpeter Cave – Saw historic signatures, Calcite Rafts
(growing), and Cave specific Isopods

  Rachel – British Expedition with Rachel near Cookesville (Mountain Eye),
                 Blue Spring (TN), a “super dry cave” but currently has lots of

Upcoming Trips and Activities

Call for help for VAR/ Trip L

– VAR 4/25-28

– SERA 5/2-3

-Shovel Eater, Hell Hole WV May 17th

   – Beginner TAG Trip  May 24th-27th

   – Work weekend BCCS 25th-26th

   – Poss Vert Practice locally?

Meeting Program:

Movie on Crystal Cave

Other Discussion and Previous Business:

Mike – Please pay your dues

Emily – Dave Jackson: Cave Sim will be at the convention. Possible sponsorship oppurtunities. Vote by email/list serv?


In attendance, and announcing thier favorite cave pack:

Rachel Saker: Her Current Pack
Martin- Surplus bag, On Rope One Pack
Mike Broome– Tech conference give away, Lost Creek, AV
Hunter Williams- Earth Pack from Amazon
Emily Graham – GGG possibly?
Julie Fairbanks – Shopping for One
Michael McBride – Anything but Swaygo
Eric Williams– Kiddo’s Pack with Bat Unicorn, On Rope One Pack
Vardell Smyth- Military Surplus/ Hello Kitty
Kim Parks – Pack Rat from her Husband
Diane Gietl – Petzl
Howard – Swago
Lisa Lorenzin– Lost Creek
Ken Walsh- Swaygo
Carlin Kartchner- Landjoff
Peter – Lost Creek
Mark Daughtridge– Pacaderm

Trip Reports

Vardell, Julie, Hunter, Michael, as well as 3 others visited
Hancock Cave in Virginia. The conditions were moderate.
Multiple bats were noted.

Mike/Lisa – Pancake Weekend at BCSS, Surface Digging Mostly (first day),
Butler Cave later in the weekend.

Lost World Cave was also visited by Mike and Lisa this past weekend.

Andy, Kim, Mark visited Low Moor Cave with a group.

Rachel and Janet from Flittermouse visited Bone Norman Cave. Rachel’s Mexico trip had “no real caving” due to weather issues.

Upcoming Trips and Activities

Call for help for VAR/ Trip Leaders

Call for Renting Cabin for VAR: Lisa to spearhead!

Call from Ken for help Surveying Big Sink 4/13/19

Call from Lisa/Mike for Work Weekend help at Butler Cave (4/20, Memorial Day Weekend, One in June)

Call from Carlin for Perkins Survey Trip on 4/13/19

Michael McBride Provided a presentation/discussion on selecting and packing a cave pack

  • Multiple types and brands of bags, cannisters and boxes were displpayed, with discussion following the themes of packing and selecting with regards to durabilty, size/space constraints, cost and personal preference.

Other Discussion and Previous Business:

Pay your dues please – Paypal or cash, check to Mike Broome

Previous Business – OCR  Scholarship

Anti Harassment Policy

Ken = Conservation Trip? Poss. Trip for fall/autumn


In attendance: Rachel Saker, Kyle, Michael McBride, Dave, Emily Graham, Zeke, Kim Parks, Ken Walsh, Julie Fairbanks, Vardell, Peter, and Carlin Kartchner, Mark Daughtridge

Trip Reports

Trip Reports:

Mark Daughtridge visited Mammoth Cave KY Feb 3rd. Cave named for the “buzz word” “Mammoth” of the time. Sunday he and his group visited Diamond Caverns and Hidden River/ Horse Cave and visited a Suspension bridge and museum.

Rachael Saker provided more info on her trip to Mammoth Cave along with more pics. She also visited Piercy Mill Cave and described it as a fun trip. The cave visited included a stretch that was kayakable.

Emily Graham, along with Peter, Taylor, and Ken undertook a survey trip to Big Sink Cave that lasted about 8 hours. There’s still plenty of survey left per the team. They encountered Monorail worms, some beetles and surveyed app 500 feet. Peter’s assessment of the trip sounded less intimidating than Ken’s.

Kim Parks Met up with above group (Emily’s from Big Sink) for a trip to Hancock Cave along with Walker Mountain Grotto for a bat count. 8 bats counted. Split into 2 groups. The conditions were very wet.

Michael – While on vacation in Canada, Michael and his Girlfriend Charity visited The Banff Cave and Basin. It was a sulfur spring based commercial cave system that was the first National Park in Canada.

Upcoming Trips and Activities

— 3/1-2 Cave Hollow Arbogast Survey Trip (likely upper section survey)
–3/8-9 Rachael going to WVACS, wet survey, has room to carpool
— 3/23-24 Beginners trip led by Michael M. to Hancock Cave
— 4/4  Grand Caverns Restoration
— 4/26-27 Spring VAR
— 6/17 Convention
— 6/22 OCR in Burnesville, VA (Scholarship to be discussed later)

Ken Walsh Provided a presentation on the NSS Convention Structure :

All NSS Convention attendees from previous years were asked to leave the room.

Cards were passed with specific topics from the structure of the Convention and each of the participants who had previously attended a convention acted out an aspect of that structure.

Peter – Campgrounds – Fairground style, large, groups or remote. Generally, less noisy than other group outings. 3 conventions that were destroyed by storms, red cross involvement. 

Carlin – Parties, Food, Drink. Carlin does all of the above. Loud comradery. Tritrogs = quiet, but hang out with the loud. Banquet. Weather might destroy. Possible NSS glass and free alcohol.

Emily – Field Trips – Sunday = Geology field trip locally. Food on this trip.

Peter – Contests – Vertical climbing, divisions (men/women/ age groups/different climbing systems). 30 meter, 120 feet

Carlin – Sessions and Classes – Photography, etc. Sessions = Big attractions. Regional, international, US. Other focuses.

Emily – Vendors/ Consignment – Things to buy: Cave Suits, harnesses, lots of everything. Gear, Boots, artwork, woodworking, harnesses, custom fittings, all available for purchase.

Mark – Price and Guidebook. Next two conventions within driving distance. Price = cheaper the earlier sign up.  App. $200, cheaper to be a NSS member. Guide book = high quality/ cool

Carlin – Slide Salon and other salon – Cave maps, Calin loves them. See other maps at salon, show off your own, critique each other. Participation does not mean judgement, just involvement. Catography salon = favorite. Slide salon = pictures. Print salon, Ken has been involved. Music Salon, Art in general.

Mark – Section Meeting. Mark’s never been to one. Break down by different sections: Cave Diving, Vertical, Geology, Biology, etc.Specific to each sections. More specific.

General questions/answers on convention: Yes there’s a t-shirt. Generally a good one. List of cave trips on website. Schedule not online yet, but should be there 2-3 months in advance. Cave trips may cost an addition fee. Camping is advised by Mark.

Votes by members to decide who was most convincing: Carlin with his description of slide salons!

Votes by previous goers: Michael with useful question.

App. Half the attendees are going/might go.

Caves.org was suggested for more info.


In attendance: Emily Graham, Rachel Saker, Michael McBride, Julie, Bill, Mark Little, Carlin Kartchner, Mike Broome, Mark Daughtridge, Andy Chang, Lana, Hastings, Boone, Zeke Van Fossen, Kim Parks


Emily’s last question to the group: How many cave trips to you plan to go on in 2019?

Lana: New, never been caving

Boone: New, never been caving

Mark L: uncertain

Bill: 1-2

Julie: 2

Hastings: 2.5

Zeke: 4

Kim: 7.2

Andy: 6-9

Carlin: 6+

Mark D: More if there wasn’t global warming (11?)

Emily: 12

Mike M: 12

Mike B: 12 (although math is hard- might be off)

Rachel: 10 planned before May, so let’s extrapolate to 30 (Math is definitely hard…)

Which, if you figure all the new and re-newed members try out caving once, results in an average of 7.3, rather close to Kim’s 7.2. Shoot for average!)




  • Do pay dues. A signup sheet was passed around to record your name if you have already paid dues for 2019 or were signing up at the meeting. Member is $15 for an individual, $22 for a family. There is a PayPal link through the website (note: this includes only an email address. Please also pass your name along to the treasurer to be marked as a member for the year).
  • A member of the Perkin’s survey trip left behind two towels at Tanya’s. Mike McBride thinks they may belong to Pete.
  • Dave Duguid has some cat litter buckets up for grabs if anyone is interested. They are sturdy, and excellent for hauling dirt out of caves.
  • There is a remaining check that is outstanding from reimbursement for food on annual grotto trip. The check amount is $23.94. Don’t forget to cash your check.
  • Thanks goes to all the officers that served in 2019 (especially to our president). Do relay thanks to Eric as well for setting up an excellent series of programs.
  • 2019 marks the 30th anniversary for the Triangle Troglodytes grotto.
  • The treasury report for 2018 was relayed by an email from Martin. With some questions and follow up items remaining, the report is currently ongoing and will be conveyed at a later date.
  • The NSS is initiating an anti-harassment policy in response to two events that were reported in 2018. Each grotto can accept the policy as-is, or modify as needed to suit their needs. A motion was made to form a committee to craft a policy appropriate for out grotto. Mike McBride offered to spearhead the initiative. Look for an email from him shortly calling for TriTrog input.


Trip Reports 

  • A group of 9 Tritrogs meet up with Jason Lockney and team to continue the effort to survey Perkin’s Cave. They split into 4 survey groups, with Ken, Dave, Carlin, and Jason each leading. There was one cave passage that was recorded to have two positive inclinations, and the consensus from the meeting is that it should bear the moniker ‘uphill both ways in the snow’.

Mike McBride braved a bout of bronchitis and surveyed nonetheless, though at one point he attempted a squeeze and decided it might not be best, only to be told he better fit as that was the way forward.

Highlight of the trip? Carlin was able to make a handshake connection and mark a survey station that can be reached when the stations on the other side advance to that area.Notable spots included the beautifully decorated sparkle room, and a great crawl that has a flat calcite floor with some texture to it.

After an arduous 12+ hours underground, the crew stayed at Tanya’s 45 minutes away (much warmer than camping at Perkin’s).

  • On the last weekend of 2018, Low Moor Cave hosted Emily, Mike McBride, his girlfriend and her daughter, and Eric and his daughter. The group went in through the quarry entrance, which was mined to have a natural roof with rock pillars on the side to support it. The main quarry was 100 yards off to the right with walking passage that have a ceiling 100-120 ft above you. Mike was able to test his 3000 lumen dive light to fully illuminate the epic space. The main cave has areas where the quarry has dug into it to create vast overlooks into the quarry itself. The group spent about 6 hours in the cave, making it to Fossil Alley and beyond. Along the way they saw 8-12 individual bats, other spots with obvious guano, and a few salamanders. One crawl that dumps you out into a 6-7 ft pit that is spanned by a metal ladder offered a fun challenge for the girls, though Mike opted against testing the precarious holding on the far side that is supported mainly by sloped earth. The water was up, but the stream at the entrance was still low enough to drive through.
  • Rachel headed north to join with WVACS, and the couple inches of snow did not discourage them from spending 10 glorious hours in Windymill. It took about two hot hours (they were moving fast) to reach the leads they were pushing, but surveying went quickly since they were aided by DISTOs. Overall they added about 300 – 400 ft to the map and saw two crawdads. There is a return trip scheduled in a couple of weeks.


Upcoming Trips and Activities

  • Feb 9: Frick’s Cave Membership Appreciation Day (Georgia). This cave is only open one day of the year, though some areas remain roped off to protect the endangered grey bats that reside here. Near the entrance it is a huge, open cave that will narrow to a stream cave further back. The day usually includes a good presentation and it is possible that vendors may attend as well. Must be a current SCCi member or guest to attend
  • Feb 16 – 17: Big Sink Cave survey (Marion, VA) with bat count to follow on Sunday at Hancock Cave. Great beginner’s trip. May want to wear a wet suit or at least wet suit bottoms at Big Sink.
  • March 16 – 24: Rachel will be caving in Mexico near El Salto/Monterey. The plan is to fly into Austin then drive 8 hrs south. There is a 100 ft large wall, and rappelling areas are 20 – 30 ft.
  • April 6: Grand Caverns restoration (Grottos, VA). This is a commercial cave that sees heavy traffic. Work will be done to spread gravel into divots that have formed and scrub formations to remove growth that has amassed due to the artificial lights. Afterward, you are allowed to visit the nearby caves Madison and Fountain. Do check out the shields in Grand Caverns (big discs that form from hydrostatic pressure) and enjoy the free food.
  • April 25 – 28 Spring VAR (Wytheville, VA). Large regional gathering of cavers. Caving, vendors, feast. All you ever need.
  • May- girl scout trip. Emily’s niece is part of a girl scout troop that has previously been on a number of caving trips. Although there is no additional room for kids, there is still a need for ‘adults’. Hancock cave is a possible destination.
  • May 24 – 27: Speleofest (KY). Hosted by the Louisville grotto.
  • June 17 – 21: NSS Convention (Cookeville, TN). This national caving convention is hosted in a different site every year, with 2019 being comparatively close to NC. There are additional caving camps before and after the event.



Congratulations to the new officers for 2019!

Chair: Rachel Saker

Vice Chair: Ken Walsh

Webmaster: Carlin Kartchner

Secretary: Mike McBride

Treasurer: Mike Broome


In attendance: Emily, Rachel, Mark Daughtridge, Pete, Kim, Michael McBride, Jason Smythe, Dave, and Ken

Emily brightened up the group by asking what headlamp we use. The consensus was that the group either owns a Zebra or wants one, and Black Diamond and Petzl don’t hold up well in caves. Emily happily sports a Phoenix with a battery pack. Mark supplements his Zebra with a Marble Mountian 900 lumen (great power!), and Mike supplements his Zebra with a Streamlight 900 lumen he picked up for less than $20. Pete is partial to his Nitecore, with the nice feature of having a big button that you can use even if you have gloves on. Kim follows everyone else’s light, and Jason and Dave are in the market.



  • Do pay dues! The PayPal link still works, and Martin requested you email him before you pay. Money goes to grotto trip, cave gear, donations, etc.
  • Donations: $200 to Appalachian Cave Conservancy (owned cave where we had the grotto trip) also a $50 to the International Association for Geoscience Diversity for access for people with disabilities.
  • Darwin day: thank you to the people who helped with Darwin Day (Mark, Peter, Ken, Eric, and Diana). With more than 4,000 people in attendance, it was more than the museum expected.
  • The business card stock is mostly depleted. Ken will place an order to replenish since he has previously ordered the business cards.
  • This year the holiday party will be hosted by Kim on December 8th, 6:30 pm at 423 S. Riverdale Dr. Bring good cheer, and food. Kim will send out a sign up sheet for food shortly. The building of a squeeze box is a solid maybe.
  • Start thinking about nominations for officers next year. Elections will be held at the January meeting. (Reminder: we do not meet in December)
  • Rachel signed up TriTrogs for a fence project at Clover Hollow Cave. There is a barbed wire fence in disrepair and it would be nice to put in a few new posts. VPI may be able to get some of their trainees to assist with the project. If there is enough wood, the group could build a stepladder.


Trip Reports

Ken, Dan, Hunter, Taylor and Peter scouted Scott Hollow with camera gear in tow. The house on top of the entrance was built by a caver, complete with a trap door to provide access to a culvert that leads to the cave. The passages trends down for a long time, maybe 500 ft, but Pete described it as not too noticeable. The group was underground for about 10 hours and made it down to the lower section with a stream. Since it was a photo trip, there was a decent bit of standing while the photographers worked their magic. Pete got a quick glance at some of Hunter’s shots while he was editing that night. A must see. After shooting, they explored the cave and tackled a challenging climb over flowstone. Ken led onward to some points of interest. Overall, lots of stream walking though luckily the water was mostly shallow.

The next day was a shorted bout through Piercy’s Mill to clean the mud off the cave suits. Not the wade-through-a-shallow stream kind of clean off your boots. Think: chest-deep crossings bordered by muddy banks that required sticks to provide enough purchase to make it up (the discarded sticks at the entrance proved to be indispensable). Ken, ever the excellent leader, forged through the stream first to find the deep spots and submerged rocks. All crossings were successful, with only one unintentional bath that cleaned off Ken’s whole cave suit. The trek was worth the treasure. Piercy’s Mill is a highly ornamented cave with rimstones pools. Some dry, some still retained water, some quite deep. Pete highly recommends going to take a look.


At the end of October, Rachel traveled north to VPI and started with a surveying trip in Culverson Creek Cave to expand some of the upper attic. The next day yielded a sport trip to Maxwelton Sink Cave, accessed near town by an antique shop. Plenty of formations, and the middle of the cave has a rather large canyon. Continuing to Blacksburg, Rachel ventured into Starnes Cave (with so much rain outside, even the chandeliers were dripping) and Pig Hole (a nice pit, saw a beautiful rimstone pool dubbed Queen’s Bath). The next day brought a rappel through a waterfall into Clover Hollow. With a nod to the cold temperatures, they rappelled on the side opposite from the waterfall itself. In some of the pits the bolt placement wasn’t ideal and necessitated some rerigging.


Ken and Emily spent some time ridge walking, following up on report to Tanya from a D.O.T. worker who mentioned that he saw something that might have been a cave. Despite numerous briars for Emily and two ticks for Tanya, no cave was located. On Saturday the hunt for caves continued, this time for caves that had been mapped previously but would benefit from a resurvey. They found the wife of the landowner, then later an uncle that provided a landowner’s cell phone number. Based off Tanya’s topo map, they were able to drive to Big Sink cave, which was visible from the road. The entrance was about half way of the sink and the smell wafted up, the culprit being the abundant animal (raccoon?) feces. Between the miserable condition and the fact that soon-to-be-85-years old was accompanying, they decided to call it a day but not before noting two lucifuga near the entrance.


Mike McBride took a few people who had not caved in a while to Ellison’s Cave. After admiring all the petrified wood, they dropped the warm up pit. There was an unfortunate amount of trash for a cave that is visited many by cavers, though some of it may be wash in. The old rope, batteries, and bolts clearly speaks to caver trash and warrants a clean up effort. Of note, the bats are beginning to return to this cave. Mike reports seeing a significant increase in Little Brown Bats compared to his previous trips.


Upcoming Trips and Activities

  • Dec 8: Holiday Party at 423 S. Riverdale Dr. 6:30 pm
  • Weekend of Dec 7-9: Rachel will be joining in WVACs festivities and extended an invite to carpool if anyone was interested.
  • Possible trip over New Years? Will plan out details at the holiday party.



Pete regaled the group with everything we always wanted to know about cat rats.